New Mac Version?

[Maddeen]

When finally mac-users get their update?

Its extremly disappointing to see every plattform going to "Final" - or starting already in beta.

but mac users still using alpha .-. with a less (or better NONE) of features -..- not even history is implemented and the look and feel is totally sick.

But Android, Blackberry going to final and the most pitiful - Windows-Trillian is going to new version. :confused::confused::confused:

How about recruiting some Mac-Developers instead of setting more and more priority on the other plattform releases which already got an complete messenger with all the features users like?!

The Mac user has nothing - just a extrem simple release without features :-(

[DiamondNRG]

When finally mac-users get their update?

Its extremly disappointing to see every plattform going to "Final" - or starting already in beta.

but mac users still using alpha .-. with a less (or better NONE) of features -..- not even history is implemented and the look and feel is totally sick.

But Android, Blackberry going to final and the most pitiful - Windows-Trillian is going to new version. :confused::confused::confused:

How about recruiting some Mac-Developers instead of setting more and more priority on the other plattform releases which already got an complete messenger with all the features users like?!

The Mac user has nothing - just a extrem simple release without features :-(

Your not seeing this right...

Windows is Cerulean's bread and butter... it is where the money comes from and what keeps this slowly going OSX project alive. Knock it and you lose everything. The Trillian 5 update really is more like .1 update at this point, plus like you said, it was not done by the OSX dev anyways.

And the reason the mobile clients came out as beta is because they stopped releasing alpha software because of how bad the reaction went with OSX. Those mobile platforms were probably started a year or more before their beta release. And again, most of them were done NOT by the OSX dev.

And Rachel (OSX dev) is on build 108 now, so an update is probably coming soon.

And for the record the mobile versions have hardly any "features" so its basically just designing the UI, a lot smaller of a project than building OSX is.

[deloreancowboy]

Do you know how difficult it is to build software for a desktop OS compared to a mobile OS?

Take also into account that the developer for the Mac OS is also the dev for the iPhone versions.

If I were you I'd be more upset if the iPhone gets an update before the Mac version does... IMHO.

[Athirne]

The larger concern is that Cerulean doesn't make the mac version anywhere near a priority. The company views the mac version more as a hobby that their iOS developer is doing in her spare time. They view Windows as their core product with the mobility device space as a critical driver for their future growth. As such, they are playing catch-up and trying to make an integrated IM platform on all of these devices to expand the reach of their desktop offering.
OS X simply doesn't have the market share or quick easy cash generation opportunities that the mobile devices can provide. I fear it wont be until after version one or right before version one that the company will provide any support or help for the lone coder they have working on this project.
Developing a proper OS X version would require a small team for development, something Cerulean isn't interested in when they can use the same coders to each make a light IM client on each major platform and charge for every install.

Let me put it this way:
Trillian for Win: $0
Trillian Pro for Win: $15 (limited time)
Trillian iOS/BB/Android/WM7: $5 (per platform)
Trillian for Mac Alpha/Beta: $0
Trillian for Mac Pro 2.0: Won’t exist for a while

They already have their service loss leader, the free windows version, and have monetized with the mobile and professional offerings. Why add another loss leader platform without the ability to monetize it with a pro offering?

That being said, I wish there was a way I could get each new or each few new builds. I cant stand Adium X and the others anymore but I need features and stuffs. :(

[Maddeen]

Thanks Diamond for the explanation. That make sense.

But the bonding between iphone-users and mac-users should be clear for everybody - also the leaders of cerulean.
I think many people who already owns an iphone also have a mac (e.g. just like me) - and for now we (OSX-users) don´t have a opportunity to use this IM on both "devices" - and i think many of us want this. (in private - this alpha release isn´t useable - reclusively of no history)
We don´t want to use adium (or other decent IMs) because we know that trillian is the most powerful and high featured IM on market (especially if the person use it on iphone).
I already got my PRO Account (on my WIN-Desk) - and not just for fun but because i love this IM and i´m willing to pay also for a mac-pro version. (as many other too)

And - in private - i think the mac-community is the one who don´t care about 10-20 bugs for a IM -. because everybody paid a very high price to get an iphone, imac, macpro e.g. (in relation to a "normal" Win-PC) - the mac community dont have to pinch and scrape.

But ok .--. i´m waiting and hopefully we get an "good" beta oder RC release till the end of 2010.

[deloreancowboy]

The assumption that most iPhone users use a Mac is false. Of all of my iPhone toting friends only one has a Mac (and he works at the Apple Store). Even to say that most Mac users have an iPhone is false as well. Of my many Mac using friends he is the only one with an iPhone.

That being said, I think the Mac version needs more priority not because of the many iPhone users that they are missing out on, but for the many Mac users that they are missing out on.

[Redgeminipa]

I have both a Mac and iPhone, but nearly 100% of my IM use is on my Mac (I have Trillian for iPhone as well). If I'm away from my Mac, I'm not typically worried about receiving IMs from people. If they want me that bad, they can text or call me. For me, the Mac version is more important simply because when it's time for chatting, this is where I do it.
I understand it's quite the opposite for many users, but just stating my view.

[suzmoss]

I think one point that is being missed here is that there isn't another really great chatting tool for the Mac. I have used Trillian for a long time and love it. I am disappointed that the version for Mac is not nearly as complete as the windows versions. I still use it but I can't wait for it to be updated. I think Cerulean is missing an opportunity to grab an audience that doesn't have another option that is close.

[huth.sebastian]

I am disappointed that the version for Mac is not nearly as complete as the windows versions.
Again, Alpha…

I do agree however that it's taking an awfully long time. Especially since Rachel is the only developer for two platforms and since the iOS version brings money, it will always be given priority over OS X.

[Kid]

To put it objectively, lack of frequent updates aside, what is missing from Trillian for Mac that is not appropriate for daily use?

It seems pretty functional unless you are talking about audio/video chat, though that will surely take a very long time to realize.

[OracleWORM]

I would pay for a Mac Pro version, just as I have for the iPhone and Windows pro version.

[WindtalkerCS]

To put it objectively, lack of frequent updates aside, what is missing from Trillian for Mac that is not appropriate for daily use?

It seems pretty functional unless you are talking about audio/video chat, though that will surely take a very long time to realize.

I would say that the lack of polish in the UI is one of my bigger problems. It is minimalistic, which I like, the problem is that it's so minimalistic that it misses features. Even just being able to select an emoticon instead of having to remember how to type the damn things.

A very close second, possible tie for first is log support. I understand that logs are created somewhere (not sure where) but not displaying the last 20 lines, and no way to actually use the log without just textediting the actual log file.

[Maddeen]

@Delorean .. maybe in the US .. but in europe its other way around.
since the iphone was released nobody except marketing companys uses OSX - now apple stores grows overall in europe (two new one in Spain).
Now it feels like every third oder fourth person got an apple device.

IMHO - the iphone release is stable - works fine - so the developer could addict to the OSX release.

@huth . .yes - alpha - but how long -- waiting once again THREE!!! Years? 2007 was the begin of developing - what we got in this three years of waiting? not so much :-(

@kid - no - none of this difficults - just the easy one -

1. History - nice that you loggin it, but its useless until i see it in my chat window - nobody wants to search in textfiles if someone "kills" the chatwindow by mistake.

2. "Saving" the last "statusmessage" - nobody wants to set his "message" again - every time you start trillian or your mac.

3. More options of "Chat".
New line = Just ENTER -- no combination

4. Auto-Login (especially there is only one user :-/ ) and saving "Login-Status" (e.g. invinsible)

5. As somebody said before - emoticons .. nobody knows all the combinations

6. Option to modify the "look" of the contact list - for now its not possible to adjust the "contact-icons" or - whats some of the main features i´m missing is point 7

7. Docking the contact list(right or left) without overlaying by other windows or programms - thats so annoying.

8. Final - just for the cream :) - attractive skins and some plugins

now tell me whats at it(in this release) so pretty?!
nothing - it just send messages from one person to another - whow. :-(

we will see whats about in 1 year?!
my tip = still mac alpha but a final version for linux, symbian and the rest os :-(

[Maaren]

To put it objectively, lack of frequent updates aside, what is missing from Trillian for Mac that is not appropriate for daily use?

Except the log viewer mentioned above;

The functionality to select multiple contacts in the contact list, do a right click and select:
'start a group conversation' or 'move to group' or 'copy to group'

[DiamondNRG]

Except the log viewer mentioned above;

The functionality to select multiple contacts in the contact list, do a right click and select:
'start a group conversation' or 'move to group' or 'copy to group'

Even the windows client doesn't have that functionality after 10 years.

[InvisoSniper X]

Just wanted to chime in...

Long time Trillian'er' for Windows, and more recently iPhone.

My company recently gave me a Mac so I've been running Trillian on it. Overall it is nice, however there are some bugs and I've switched back to iChat for my Companies XMPP chat, for reliability sake.

Looking forward to the new build. I will try to file some bug reports on 107 later tonight just as soon as I can make a reproduction case.

@Sparks
Keep up the awesome work :) But take a break when you need it, we don't need you going crazy :P

[huth.sebastian]

For me it's log viewer as well as auto login. I don't have it as a startup item because I don't want to be online all the time, so sometimes I just click on the dock icon and think it's running because it has the indicator, but later I realize it's been stuck on that startup screen since I started it.

Saving the last status + message would be nice too. Other than these 3 features it's pretty much all I need right now.

[Maaren]

Even the windows client doesn't have that functionality after 10 years.
So what???

They asked what we missed. This (right click with the options) is the thing I missed most, except log viewer and an 'emoticon selector'.
The way I mentioned it is the most easy way to do so (imho)


Aside; I almost don't use a messaging client on Windows, I only use mac
So how the Windows client is, I don't have to know

[DiamondNRG]

So what???

They asked what we missed. This (right click with the options) is the thing I missed most, except log viewer and an 'emoticon selector'.
The way I mentioned it is the most easy way to do so (imho)


Aside; I almost don't use a messaging client on Windows, I only use mac
So how the Windows client is, I don't have to know

Well you don't have to be rude about it, I was just saying it seems they don't want to add that feature, as we have been asking for it all through version 3 4 and 5. I didn't mean it wasn't a good request, I should have been more clear with my response... so how about

"Yes! And please add it to the Windows client as well!" ... is that better?

[Maaren]

Well you don't have to be rude about it (...)
OK, sorry, it was not my intention to be rude... just to say it.

[Benni-chan]

hoping for an update.
it's very annoying to reset the avatar every time, after i was online with a newer client (like the android one).

[zwelch82]

hoping for an update.
it's very annoying to reset the avatar every time, after i was online with a newer client (like the android one).

Same for me. :(

[huth.sebastian]

hoping for an update.
it's very annoying to reset the avatar every time, after i was online with a newer client (like the android one).

So that's what's happening… I was wondering where my avatar went.

[LordJMann]

There are alottttttttt of people who would love to switch from Adium on OS X, myself included.

[Logik]

To put it objectively, lack of frequent updates aside, what is missing from Trillian for Mac that is not appropriate for daily use?

It seems pretty functional unless you are talking about audio/video chat, though that will surely take a very long time to realize.

I'm not interested in getting in on the bashing parade here.

But the single biggest reason I can't use Trillian for Mac is the severe lag that accompanies waking my computer from sleep.

Trillian is open. Put the Mac to sleep.
Wake it up and for several minutes Trillian shows the old buddylist from before sleep. It fails to reconnect on sleep.

That is the single biggest thing I can't handle. If that were fixed I'd be a lot more likely to use the application. I would have to say a log viewer would be nice. But at the very minimum I'd like the chat window to show the last several lines from the past conversation.

[Pechente]

The thing is:

There are loads of great messengers for the iPhone, that's why it's really hard for Trillian to compete on this platform as a "newcomer" (compared to Beejive, IM+ and others) to become really successful.

On Mac OS X there's only Adium and Adium is… well… crap. It hasn't received any updates - apart from very small high-priority fixes - for quite a while (unless you are using beta builds). For example: file transfers on ICQ don't work since at least 2 years and the developers don't even make the impression that they're gonna fix this bug. Instead some rather useless stuff such as twitter support is added in beta builds. Using the ICQ network the most, I feel to have a much more finished product with Trillian for Mac Alpha than with Adium final.

I know that not everyone shares this opinion (on TUAW I even got asked how much CS pays me for posting this :rolleyes:) but I think CS could easily get a bunch of Mac Users by bringing just some more features and fixes to the Mac version of Trillian while it's rather hard to compete on the iPhone platform.

[marsancole]

Hi everybody, this is my first time in this forum so I'll just give my point of view.

I've been reading the posts about the mac development and well I think the Mac version should be given more priority just for this facts:

There's no decent version of an MSN messenger for the Mac, Mercury used to have Video calls but it's not working anymore, also it's quite hungry in resources and not too stable.

Google Talk's Video-Audio calls can only be made on a browser for the Mac which is ok sometimes but not too good when you want to chat with MSN, Yahoo and Goolge Talk people at the same time.

I've been using Adium for quite a long time, but it just started dropping connection or getting messages too late, etc.

Mercury it's... well... mmm...

Microsoft's Messenger it's just a piece of crap! and the Beta version 8 it's just a buggy and unusable.

But anyway, going back to Trillian. It's a great app, I think it has a lot of potential, I've been using it for a few days with no major issues, it's really light and, well, it does what the other IM do but without the crap.

I know it's an Alpha Version and there's a few bugs, I had some issues already, but if you do put more emphasis on the development and get this IM to fully Vide-Audio calls, emoticons and all that catchy stuff you'll have a winner!

And believe me if you offer all that for the Mac a lot of people will even buy it, why? because nobody else offers something like that for us Mac users.

Just some thoughts. Keep up the great work!

Thanks

[SunsetBoy]

To put it objectively, lack of frequent updates aside, what is missing from Trillian for Mac that is not appropriate for daily use?

It seems pretty functional unless you are talking about audio/video chat, though that will surely take a very long time to realize.

- international use of keyboard-shortcuts (the given shortcuts are only useful if you use an US-keyboard)

- history(!)

[DiamondNRG]

Hi everybody, this is my first time in this forum so I'll just give my point of view.

I've been reading the posts about the mac development and well I think the Mac version should be given more priority just for this facts:

There's no decent version of an MSN messenger for the Mac, Mercury used to have Video calls but it's not working anymore, also it's quite hungry in resources and not too stable.

Google Talk's Video-Audio calls can only be made on a browser for the Mac which is ok sometimes but not too good when you want to chat with MSN, Yahoo and Goolge Talk people at the same time.

I've been using Adium for quite a long time, but it just started dropping connection or getting messages too late, etc.

Mercury it's... well... mmm...

Microsoft's Messenger it's just a piece of crap! and the Beta version 8 it's just a buggy and unusable.

But anyway, going back to Trillian. It's a great app, I think it has a lot of potential, I've been using it for a few days with no major issues, it's really light and, well, it does what the other IM do but without the crap.

I know it's an Alpha Version and there's a few bugs, I had some issues already, but if you do put more emphasis on the development and get this IM to fully Vide-Audio calls, emoticons and all that catchy stuff you'll have a winner!

And believe me if you offer all that for the Mac a lot of people will even buy it, why? because nobody else offers something like that for us Mac users.

Just some thoughts. Keep up the great work!

Thanks

Obviously you are new here, we don't even have barely any video support in the Windows client and I believe Rachel has said video support would be a long time coming for OSX as well.

I wouldn't count on them adding that anytime soon at all. I can only hope the reason it is being delayed so much is that they are planning to blast all of them out the gate at once.

[InvisoSniper X]

I have a theory...

Perhaps the team is working on getting Trillian for Mac up to Beta quality before releasing any more updates... It technically works right now, but is missing a lot of the features which may be in a beta product. Most of the requests from users have been feature adds...

I for one am happy to wait patiently if the next build is a beta, and includes alot of new features.

[Eldúrias]

Well that would be great!

but I think they are working on the iPhone version, maybe making it compatible with trillian 5 for windows or some other features.

That's my guess atleast

[Athirne]

I have a theory...

Perhaps the team is working on getting Trillian for Mac up to Beta quality before releasing any more updates... It technically works right now, but is missing a lot of the features which may be in a beta product. Most of the requests from users have been feature adds...

I for one am happy to wait patiently if the next build is a beta, and includes alot of new features.

team? It would be a huge improvement if there was a team making the mac version. As far as I know this team consists of one person coding this in her spare time while being paid to develop the iOS version of Trillian Mobile. Basically, the fact that Trillian has released any alphas for the mac publicly is amazing.

[DiamondNRG]

Well that would be great!

but I think they are working on the iPhone version, maybe making it compatible with trillian 5 for windows or some other features.

That's my guess atleast

team? It would be a huge improvement if there was a team making the mac version. As far as I know this team consists of one person coding this in her spare time while being paid to develop the iOS version of Trillian Mobile. Basically, the fact that Trillian has released any alphas for the mac publicly is amazing.

I'm not really sure why you guys are posting guesses on how all this works...

Rachel is a paid employee of CS, she gets paid to do work, whether it is on the iPhone version, an iPad release or the OSX release. None of them are hobbies done in her free time.

With that said, she has been using build 108 for a long time, so it can't be that far from being released to testers.

The iPhone version is getting a lot of updates at the same time too, yes... but the reason it changes build numbers so much faster is that anytime they make changes the build number has to be incremented. When the OSX version is updated Rachel doesn't necessarily keep changing the build number (at least not that we can see anyways)

There is nothing anyone can do here but wait. No point in guessing things.

[Sparks]

With that said, she has been using build 108 for a long time, so it can't be that far from being released to testers.

Or I could have just stopped incrementing build numbers during a major coding push, just so as to surprise you all (http://blog.ceruleanstudios.com/?p=1658). ;)

[DiamondNRG]

Yeah, I kind of had a feeling you were doing that, especially with Scott, Kevin and Andy all publicly on it yesterday :P Didn't know it was this big though, congrats!

[davids]

Of all of my iPhone toting friends only one has a Mac
I represent that remark :)

My workstation is a Mini running other OS' under Parallels, my untethered machine is an XP slate, and my phone is Symbian. I don't like the form factor of the iPad (awkward size for me) and while I'd love to have an iPhone, it simply isn't worth it for the way in which I use smartphones (I use perhaps $20-25 of airtime in a year).

I like to be able to SMS & make calls from my PDA, but never use it to cruise the web (tiny screen). So an iPhone, for me, is a nicely sized touchscreen PDA with multimedia capabilities. Other than via bluetooth the data capabilities simply won't be used. This is my DayTimer with a handy phone booth built into it. :)

I'm now well off enough able to buy the devices I need but still far too cheap to pay for capabilities I'll never use <g>. The iPad is too small to use comfortably as a clipboard and too large to carry about in my pocket like an iPhone. If someone eventually brings a clamshell smartphone to market (one with two touch screens hinged together) then my slate and my smartphone will probably converge. But I can't see me ever giving up speed, power and the large screen display for my production (desktop) machine.