Just wanted to report probably my only problem with trillian. Whenever you minimize an IM window (or doing some other things causes this too) the buddy list window goes out of focus.

-matt

What window is focused prior to your minimizing a message window?

If it is the buddy list, then this is in fact an issue.
If not--another application was focused prior to your minimizing a message window--then this is normal behaviour (if a window is focused, the next window in the task list is focused, as this minimized window is most likely not your intended window).

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After a few tests I've found that this is in fact the case--it seems as though the contact list is 'not included' in the task list ( this is most likely related to http://www.ceruleanstudios.com/forum...&threadid=6498 ).

Thank you for your input.

Chris Taylor
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yeah... with the buddy list focused --> double click a buddy to open an im window --> minimize that window --> trillian buddy list goes out of focus

-matt

yea...that happens to me too...that would be a nice fix if it would stay open...later

I've found that when having message windows minimised on the taskbar that when I use other applications and an incomming message arrives the focus is stolen from the application I am using.

Not sure if this has been reported before.

I'm running Trillian on a Windows XP Pentium III (600 MHz) with 384 MB RAM and a 512MBit ADSL line.

The launching of Trillian takes some time - Especially when one has many contacts. However, load speed is not really an issue as long as the main program is great - Like Trillian.

The only "bug" I have experienced in Trillian (with the exception of the AIM connection bug which was fixed quickly) is that I like to speak to my friends in mIRC while Trillian loads.

In spite of this, when finding online contacts and moving them to the appropriate group, Trillian takes the focus from all other programs, rendering me unable to type a message in mIRC or an URL in Internet Explorer without repeatedly clicking the window i want to type in to regain the focus after Trillian stole it.

With the fixing of this bug, I would deem Trillian a perfect alternative to the many other clients available. Thanks for a great program.

Joachim Krebs

I'll support you on this one. It is really annoying!

I have WinXP, 384 RAM, Athlon 1ghz, Trillian .722.

To explain in my own words, Trillian keeps grabbing focus when someone logs on (as long as their name is in the "recent-online" state)

This only happens when the contact list is open, of course, but I use "Always on Top" so it really gets annoying.

I've posted a similar problem - one that I consider as being one of the two most annoying things about Trillian. The two things are:

1) Incoming messages steal focus. Fx. if you're typing in lots of code, suddenly you're typing code to one of you friends! Argh. I'd like to have new messages pop-up in windows as they already do, but they should NOT have focus (thus interrupting your typing)

2) Messages are lost when using ICQ. This seems to happen even a bit more with version 0.724 than with 0.722.

The rest of the program is pretty amazing, I think!

I am not sure if that is standard windows or not to have windows steal focuse but, in all the versions of windows, the TweakUI Tools' have options to not let new windows steal focus. I use that all the time.

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I think the focus-stealing behavior is different depending on the version of Windows.

I use Trillian on two computers, one running NT4, the other running 2000. Under NT4, any Trillian window that pops up steals focus and thus steals my typing. Annoying.

Under 2000, Trillian (or maybe Windows) seems to respect the "Don't steal focus" setting that I've set with TweakUI.

It could just be an NT4 annoyance. TweakUI is unable to tweak such a "steal focus" setting on NT4.

I had something to say, but I said it. Now I have nothing to say.

Well I don't think that TweakUI should be necessary to avoid such a serious problem as this. Not interrupting people from using their keyboards in an orderly fashion, should be a built-in feature in Trillian IMHO.

How about a comparison with other instant messengers?

When Yahoo pops up a new window, does it steal focus?

How about AIM, does it steal focus when new messages come in? I seem to remember that it does.

I had something to say, but I said it. Now I have nothing to say.

When a new window pops up, the default action for Windows is to give that new window focus. Therefore, the problem is with the operating system and not with Trill itself. There are ways to change this behavior within any of the windows operating systems. Tweak UI doesn’t have this setting under NT (Not sure about 9x, ME, 2000, or XP).
Of course, you could always go to:
Preferences --> Windows --> Initial
And set Trill to either “Hide the window…” or “Auto-minimize the window”

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These two statements back-to-back seem to make no sense. First you say that there are ways to change this behavior, then you say that TweakUI (which is the only way I know of to change it) has no such setting, and that you're not even sure about any versions of Windows known.

So, this makes me wonder, how did you arrive at your first conclusion, that there are ways to change this??

I do know for a fact that TweakUI provides this setting for Windows 2000, on the General tab. It's labeled as "Prevent applications from stealing focus".

Under Windows NT4, this area of TweakUI is blank, suggesting that NT4 doesn't know how to avoid giving focus to new windows that pop up.

I had something to say, but I said it. Now I have nothing to say.

I know that new windows are given focus, but when I first launch Trillian, the (docked) Contacts window steals focus every .5 seconds for about 20 seconds. Is that normal?

Randall

[edit] This thread better describes my problem. [/edit]

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Is there a way to keep trillian from stealing focus on EVERY signon sound played, when minimised?

for example, when I first sign on, every user that "signs on" brings focus to the contact window, but keeping it minimized.

i've poked around prefs, and i'm lost as to how to fix this, any help would be appreciated.

/ Thap

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This thread has been locked. Please direct replies to http://www.ceruleanstudios.com/forum...&threadid=7697 .

This thread has been locked. Please direct replies to http://www.ceruleanstudios.com/forum...&threadid=7697 .

As previously mentioned on these boards, there are two major issues with trillian right now. One is the use of Global hooks, the second is that Trillian constantly steals focus.

Both are simply poor (or at least uninformed) programming. Of course I think Trillian is a good program because I use it, so I'm not ripping on the coders. Just stating the obvious.

Global hooks just shouldn't be used. If you trully can not figure out another way to accomplish what you want without global hooks, then at least use them correctly. A hook should contain nothing but the hook code, and a routine to send a message to the recipient owner of the hook (or set a named event/mutex... whatever). Right now you all are loading a .dll that is 152KB (trillian 0.725) into almost every process. That is just wrong. :) There is no need for a hook .dll to be over 5 or 6KB.

Not only does that have the adverse affect of slowing down a normal users system, but it also opens security holes. And for other software developers, essentially makes trillian unuseable while debugging code because of system lockups that come from trillian hooking into the program being debugged.

Normally I don't request things with this slightly "insistent" tone when an application is free like Trillian is. But that is because most free aplications I use are open source, and I'll just go fix the problem myself, and submit the changes back to the original author. Unfortuneatly that isn't the case with Trillian, yet I find it a very useful app, so please fix this! Thanks :)

On to the focus issue. This one is pretty much just rediculous. Since when does a tooltip require it taking focus to be displayed? Or, when launching trillian, why on earth does it need to retake focus several different times as it loads?!

Simply use your SW_SHOWNOACTIVATE if using ShowWindow() and all or a combination of: SWP_NOACTIVATE SWP_NOZORDER SWP_NOOWNERZORDER when using SetWindowPos()

Especially fix your balloon tip code from stealing the focus. And while we're at it, give an option to disable tool tips showing up when new mail arrives in my hotmail account. I don't care to know when it does arrive. (If that option is already in there to disable it, and I missed it. Sorry :)

Well, keep up the good work on Trillian. But I would really suggest a feature freeze on all subsequent releases until you've gone back and fined tuned what you currently have. Nothing is worse then bloat-ware, except bugg bloat-ware. Don't turn Trillian into either. :)

Thanks for your time.

Although your comments and additions to the existing reports on these issue are appreciated, for clearity, it would be best if you replied to the original threads (if they were Bug Reports) instead of making a new thread, and effectively disjoining obviously related information.

Please, if you don't have the time to remove this thread, and add your contribution to the existing version, reply here with a link to the original, and they will be merged into one.

EDIT: This bug is already reported below but being as it has gone unfixed for about 4 releases i decided just to edit this post instead of deleting it

When an event occurs such as a user coming online or going offline, or a user sending a message, trillian steals focus from other applications such as internet explorer - even though i have set it not to open new windows on recieving a message but to instead flash in the system tray. This gets a lilttle annoying when a lot of people are coming and going and focus keeps being stolen from some form like hotmail etc. Any ideas anyone?

Btw keep up the good work, nice app

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Discussed at lenght in this thread.

http://www.ceruleanstudios.com/forum...&threadid=7697

this is my one really really annoying thing with trillian...

whether or not i've set it to blink or not blink in the prefs, or even set the tweakui control panel to prevent focus stealing, trillian always steals focus... when someone comes online, when someone comes back from away, even when someone messages me. HOW DO I STOP THIS?

better yet, fix the next version to not do it! PLEASE! it irks me!

I hate the way trillian steals focus and I wasn't going to mention it before...since it *is* very annoying, but, S&K have enough on their plate to worry about and fix and what not.

It steals focus when it first starts loading too, like 5 times.

This is covered in the following thread:

http://www.ceruleanstudios.com/forum...&threadid=7697

You linked to it. No need to bump it too.

Whenever I'm in a full-screen game, ie: Jedi Knight II, Warcraft III, etc, and I receive a message, it minimizes the game and pops up trillian. How can I keep it from doing this. I've already unchecked the always on top option. I'm sure there's another option that I'm missing. Help me find it, please

Preferences --> Windows --> Initial

check autominimze or hide and systray


By the way, I have JKII too, and it doesn't boot me out.... And i have my windows pop up on the desktop.

- Josh

yeah, I should have searched.. stupid n00b

/smacks self

I'm sure this has probably been posted, but it really drives me nuts!

Say I have an IM window open and I click the minimize button. If this person sends a message while I am in another app such as IE or notepad, it will flash, and nothing bad happens. But if I minimized the window by clicking on it in the taskbar, and someone sends me a message, it will flash and also steal focus away from IE/notepad/whatever app. This problem also occurs when a new IM window is created (it's set to auto minimize to taskbar). This really is no fun when trying to program while online.